tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4275299430918785291.post7869856104696025471..comments2023-10-05T16:42:57.585+01:00Comments on Capitalism Creates Poverty: After Caroline - what next?@HT4ecosocialismhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10155699044994399251noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4275299430918785291.post-34074661612221753302012-05-19T21:09:14.775+01:002012-05-19T21:09:14.775+01:00Chris
I have been thinking about that motion and ...Chris<br /><br />I have been thinking about that motion and although I broadly support it, it needs to go in hand with other measures which will give ordinary people more control over the economy as a whole - like mutuals and credit unions - hence my Economic Democracy motion<br /><br />I don't agree that the costs would be higher. One of the fundamental problems with the costs you mention is@HT4ecosocialismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10155699044994399251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4275299430918785291.post-39385178549967432572012-05-19T00:00:38.039+01:002012-05-19T00:00:38.039+01:00Howard, well said, and I totally agree. But what i...Howard, well said, and I totally agree. But what is our strategy going to be? Yes, the Green principles you list, but that's not enough. We need to make it clear how the necessarily higher costs of Green policies can be afforded. As you know, I believe that state-created money, and the banning of banks from creating money, is the answer. If we make this a major plank of Green policy and Chris Burtonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4275299430918785291.post-81884845856266897922012-05-17T21:08:41.994+01:002012-05-17T21:08:41.994+01:00In case anyone is wondering I deleted Garry's ...In case anyone is wondering I deleted Garry's post above because it was a duplicate@HT4ecosocialismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10155699044994399251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4275299430918785291.post-47502345149852867432012-05-17T20:59:34.147+01:002012-05-17T20:59:34.147+01:00Tom
"The party's national strategy up to...Tom<br /><br />"The party's national strategy up to 2010 was based on a cool analysis of the possible winnable seats, of the issues that swing voters care about in those constituencies, and of the national mood" - what next - New Labour focus groups? Perhaps we should ask the voters what policies we should espouse thus ensuring we always get elected?<br /><br />My point which I @HT4ecosocialismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10155699044994399251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4275299430918785291.post-58809246141320297252012-05-17T18:04:36.833+01:002012-05-17T18:04:36.833+01:00Howard,
I apologise for the slightly aggressive u...Howard,<br /><br />I apologise for the slightly aggressive undertone in that statement, I shouldn't have let it slip into my post.<br /><br />1. I would agree that we are a radical party, I like our willingness to step back and say "look, this is the root of this big problem, we need to fix the root cause" at the same time as showing how we can make pragmatic improvements based on Tom Chancehttp://tom.acrewoods.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4275299430918785291.post-54351039887461097932012-05-17T12:19:25.318+01:002012-05-17T12:19:25.318+01:00Hi Tom
It would be better to have this discussion...Hi Tom<br /><br />It would be better to have this discussion face to face because there is so much to talk about, but I'll confine myself to picking up a couple of points.<br /><br />1. we are in a crisis which is about to get a lot worse with a Greek default. We have a failed economic system - neoliberal 'free' market capitalism which isn't working and won't provide the @HT4ecosocialismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10155699044994399251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4275299430918785291.post-66244113420909309032012-05-16T21:30:51.669+01:002012-05-16T21:30:51.669+01:00As a Scottish Green who attending GPEW spring conf...As a Scottish Green who attending GPEW spring conference this year I did notice an element of what I would call 'New Labour' syndrome, which you have identified as the Right of the party. i would possibly idenitify a lot of them as the so called 'Green Democrats.' SGP simply does not have this for a number of reasons, not least because we are a much smaller party and we are Ross Greernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4275299430918785291.post-22428544641115887132012-05-16T21:15:56.302+01:002012-05-16T21:15:56.302+01:00Howard,
Your post is certainly stirring and provo...Howard,<br /><br />Your post is certainly stirring and provocative, but ultimately the problem is that it is politically naieve in the extreme. I think you're talking about leadership of a wider political movement, not a political party whose primary means of bringing about change is through democratic elections (with a welcome second means of direct action).<br /><br />You suggest we can &Tom Chancehttp://tom.acrewoods.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4275299430918785291.post-76786399971407284732012-05-16T20:55:43.362+01:002012-05-16T20:55:43.362+01:00I fully agree with you.
I posted similar sentimen...I fully agree with you.<br /><br />I posted similar sentiments yesterday:<br /><br />http://ozzyscorner.wordpress.com/2012/05/15/the-greens-crossroad/<br /><br />Good luck,<br /><br />GarryTerraMaterChildhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17440508915159434685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4275299430918785291.post-9198641254701781212012-05-16T20:54:29.911+01:002012-05-16T20:54:29.911+01:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.TerraMaterChildhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17440508915159434685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4275299430918785291.post-85312188033078396272012-05-16T17:52:49.362+01:002012-05-16T17:52:49.362+01:00Hazel
I agree the youth vote is a tough nut to cr...Hazel<br /><br />I agree the youth vote is a tough nut to crack because there is so much disillusionment with politics - which is why we need to remain radical and offer real hope of change to people. Moving rightwards to attract LDs won't do that and I fear that is a strategy favoured by some in the Party.<br /><br />I can't say I blame Occupy for wanting to steer clear of parties. If @HT4ecosocialismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10155699044994399251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4275299430918785291.post-22738308288353995032012-05-16T10:00:48.213+01:002012-05-16T10:00:48.213+01:00Hi Howard
All clear now as to your identity.
I str...Hi Howard<br />All clear now as to your identity.<br />I strongly believe that these issues are central to both our policies and our campaigning.<br />However, as a long term Green Party campaigner I am sceptical about attracting non-voters to actually turn out and support us - and yes, I have many helpers who are not members and may or may not vote but do valuable campaigning work.<br />I did Hazel Dawehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11921405898555485224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4275299430918785291.post-53900737024243610712012-05-15T23:25:18.147+01:002012-05-15T23:25:18.147+01:00Another strategy, destined to fail?
Ali PAnother strategy, destined to fail?<br />Ali PAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4275299430918785291.post-82960850852432436392012-05-15T17:53:00.068+01:002012-05-15T17:53:00.068+01:00Hi Hazel, I'm a bit baffled about being called...Hi Hazel, I'm a bit baffled about being called anonymous?<br /><br />My point about Lib Dems is as follows:<br /><br />1. Lib Dems may be active and disillusioned but do they share our values - I don't think so. In fact I'm sure that many ex-Labour supporters have values which are closer to our own<br /><br />2. following on from 1., 5 million voters deserted Labour from 2005 onwards,@HT4ecosocialismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10155699044994399251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4275299430918785291.post-52854939084065783362012-05-15T09:43:25.860+01:002012-05-15T09:43:25.860+01:00I have to say I agree with this article in its ent...I have to say I agree with this article in its entirety. As someone with a working class background but now would be labelled middle class, the Green Party's social justice policies were as important reason for me joining the party as the need to address the enviromental disaster the world faces. In my naive youth I thought sticking up for society's vulnerable meant joining the Labour Andrew Pointonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4275299430918785291.post-67969558186821014202012-05-15T08:32:52.807+01:002012-05-15T08:32:52.807+01:00Ironic that this blog will not accept anonymous po...Ironic that this blog will not accept anonymous posts but the blogger remains anonymous.<br />We are already campainging strongly on all the issues you mention. "an explicit rejection of neoliberalism, austerity, corporate domination, and the democratic deficit in the EU, and a commitment to the alternatives such as the Green New Deal, ending privatisation and de-regulation, saving the NHS, Hazel Dawehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11921405898555485224noreply@blogger.com